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	<title>Comments on: Everyday Theology (3) » Reading Church Architecture</title>
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		<title>By: Nigel Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nigel Walter]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for pointing up this chapter - new to me.

I am another architect, working in UK (Cambridge), predominantly on churches. Our churches of course are speaking all the time, but congregations tend to be deaf to this - and the message is often at odds with the theological aspiration. Which the wider culture reads as dissonance, which is unsettling and hugely off-putting. Time and again the interventions we make in existing churches are about giving the building a new face, and thus a new voice, and lowering the threshold - both physical and figurative.

Great material - thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for pointing up this chapter &#8211; new to me.</p>
<p>I am another architect, working in UK (Cambridge), predominantly on churches. Our churches of course are speaking all the time, but congregations tend to be deaf to this &#8211; and the message is often at odds with the theological aspiration. Which the wider culture reads as dissonance, which is unsettling and hugely off-putting. Time and again the interventions we make in existing churches are about giving the building a new face, and thus a new voice, and lowering the threshold &#8211; both physical and figurative.</p>
<p>Great material &#8211; thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim McMurry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim McMurry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember a brief discussion we had one day in one class at the seminary on this topic.  But it has stuck with me.  Every time I enter a church I am aware of the message I am receiving from the structure and furnishings.  Buddhist temples feature a large statue of the Buddha.  Most Catholic churches bring your focus to the altar and its sacraments. Protestant churches have been evolving (and not necessarily in the best direction) from a focus on the pulpit/desk where the Word of God is preached.  Replaced by the artificial-looking plastic lecterns.  Or eliminating the pulpit altogether thus the focus is on the preacher (the man) rather than the message (the Word). Interesting discussion.  I appreciate the forum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember a brief discussion we had one day in one class at the seminary on this topic.  But it has stuck with me.  Every time I enter a church I am aware of the message I am receiving from the structure and furnishings.  Buddhist temples feature a large statue of the Buddha.  Most Catholic churches bring your focus to the altar and its sacraments. Protestant churches have been evolving (and not necessarily in the best direction) from a focus on the pulpit/desk where the Word of God is preached.  Replaced by the artificial-looking plastic lecterns.  Or eliminating the pulpit altogether thus the focus is on the preacher (the man) rather than the message (the Word). Interesting discussion.  I appreciate the forum.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Eilers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kent Eilers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott - Many thanks for your comments. You make a compelling case for ways in which churches can engage the gospel architecturally. 

I especially loved your vision for a church structure that would move congregants through the creation-fall-redemption narrative. Brilliant!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott &#8211; Many thanks for your comments. You make a compelling case for ways in which churches can engage the gospel architecturally. </p>
<p>I especially loved your vision for a church structure that would move congregants through the creation-fall-redemption narrative. Brilliant!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a christian and an architect, I have come to realize that the buildings we worship in are as much a sermon as the words spoken to us from the pulpit.  The pulpit itself even communicates something.  It can be thin and transparent emphasizing the person behind.  It can be thick and weighty, ready for the pounding fist of a fiery preacher.  It can be just a relocated music stand like we have at the moment in our facility because it is a temporal location that we rent.

There is the view that the church building should be highly esteemed and appropriately revered as God’s house.  Our earthly representation of heaven as we take part in our various forms of liturgy.  There is the view that the church building is nothing more than a “sheep shack”.  That because WE are the Church, the box that we meet in is insignificant beyond the function of providing a place to meet.

I hope that somewhere in the middle a view can be held that church architecture is important, worth thinking thoughtfully about and seen as an opportunity to have Christ be glorified, while at the same time not being too building focused that we lose sight of the fact that the Church worships within the building but the building is not the Church.

Your comment on “artificially giving a sense of nature” has me hearing Radiohead’s “Fake Plastic Trees” in my head (great song).  I’ve seen one too many of those on sanctuary stages.  I’ve always wanted to build on that idea of creation in architecture and expand it to depict the entire biblical narrative (see “The Drama of Scripture: Finding Our Place in the Biblical Story” by Goheen).  How cool would it be to have your worship experience on a Sunday take you through Creation (an entry that has an organic, indoor/outdoor feel), Sin (a transitional space involving dimmed light, descent), Christ (a meeting space designed around the presentation of the Gospel and Communion) Church (an exit sequence that fosters a unity of the believers in Christ) and New Creation (maybe an indoor or outdoor gathering area that has a “newness” or New Jeruselam/Return to Eden feel to it).

I think there is so much opportunity for a church structure to present the Gospel message of Christ.  I hope that whenever a congregation has the opportunity to construct or rennovate a facility the question is raised of what the building communicates about us, and more importantly about Christ.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a christian and an architect, I have come to realize that the buildings we worship in are as much a sermon as the words spoken to us from the pulpit.  The pulpit itself even communicates something.  It can be thin and transparent emphasizing the person behind.  It can be thick and weighty, ready for the pounding fist of a fiery preacher.  It can be just a relocated music stand like we have at the moment in our facility because it is a temporal location that we rent.</p>
<p>There is the view that the church building should be highly esteemed and appropriately revered as God’s house.  Our earthly representation of heaven as we take part in our various forms of liturgy.  There is the view that the church building is nothing more than a “sheep shack”.  That because WE are the Church, the box that we meet in is insignificant beyond the function of providing a place to meet.</p>
<p>I hope that somewhere in the middle a view can be held that church architecture is important, worth thinking thoughtfully about and seen as an opportunity to have Christ be glorified, while at the same time not being too building focused that we lose sight of the fact that the Church worships within the building but the building is not the Church.</p>
<p>Your comment on “artificially giving a sense of nature” has me hearing Radiohead’s “Fake Plastic Trees” in my head (great song).  I’ve seen one too many of those on sanctuary stages.  I’ve always wanted to build on that idea of creation in architecture and expand it to depict the entire biblical narrative (see “The Drama of Scripture: Finding Our Place in the Biblical Story” by Goheen).  How cool would it be to have your worship experience on a Sunday take you through Creation (an entry that has an organic, indoor/outdoor feel), Sin (a transitional space involving dimmed light, descent), Christ (a meeting space designed around the presentation of the Gospel and Communion) Church (an exit sequence that fosters a unity of the believers in Christ) and New Creation (maybe an indoor or outdoor gathering area that has a “newness” or New Jeruselam/Return to Eden feel to it).</p>
<p>I think there is so much opportunity for a church structure to present the Gospel message of Christ.  I hope that whenever a congregation has the opportunity to construct or rennovate a facility the question is raised of what the building communicates about us, and more importantly about Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Eilers</title>
		<link>http://theologyforum.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/everyday-theology-3-%c2%bb-reading-church-architecture/#comment-627</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kent Eilers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian - I suspect you are right regarding the liturgical and sacramental considerations. Thanks for your thoughts.

Considering many Protestant churches of the Reformed and Free Church bent haven&#039;t typically thought sacramentally about church life (or architecture) the discussion in general is a foreign one, or at least one not regularly had. Still, even without a more sacramental view of ecclesiology it seems to me that there needs to be a greater intentionality among church leaders regarding the theological implications of church structures, the &quot;spaces&quot; they form, and the messages they communicate both to the faith community and the wider culture.

Also, I visited your site and would have to say that my list for Eerdmans and Baker would have be very similar to yours. I lived in GR for years and miss it! 

Cheers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian &#8211; I suspect you are right regarding the liturgical and sacramental considerations. Thanks for your thoughts.</p>
<p>Considering many Protestant churches of the Reformed and Free Church bent haven&#8217;t typically thought sacramentally about church life (or architecture) the discussion in general is a foreign one, or at least one not regularly had. Still, even without a more sacramental view of ecclesiology it seems to me that there needs to be a greater intentionality among church leaders regarding the theological implications of church structures, the &#8220;spaces&#8221; they form, and the messages they communicate both to the faith community and the wider culture.</p>
<p>Also, I visited your site and would have to say that my list for Eerdmans and Baker would have be very similar to yours. I lived in GR for years and miss it! </p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kent. Hello. Good thoughts and questions. One way that people can begin to think theologically about architecture is to recover the church&#039;s vocabulary when speaking on these matters. I need to be careful here so I don&#039;t seem to be saying &quot;gotcha!&quot;, but terminology such as &#039;auditorium&#039; and &#039;stage&#039; has to be ejected from the church&#039;s thinking about where we gather.

It&#039;s hard to do this without sounding snobby, but perhaps when people start hearing the word &#039;chancel&#039; (or other words that may fit one&#039;s local architecture) it will dawn on them that it&#039;s probably not an area to let the kids run around in after the service! 

End the end, I suspect, it&#039;s liturgical and sacramental considerations that govern a church building and it&#039;s architecture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent. Hello. Good thoughts and questions. One way that people can begin to think theologically about architecture is to recover the church&#8217;s vocabulary when speaking on these matters. I need to be careful here so I don&#8217;t seem to be saying &#8220;gotcha!&#8221;, but terminology such as &#8216;auditorium&#8217; and &#8216;stage&#8217; has to be ejected from the church&#8217;s thinking about where we gather.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to do this without sounding snobby, but perhaps when people start hearing the word &#8216;chancel&#8217; (or other words that may fit one&#8217;s local architecture) it will dawn on them that it&#8217;s probably not an area to let the kids run around in after the service! </p>
<p>End the end, I suspect, it&#8217;s liturgical and sacramental considerations that govern a church building and it&#8217;s architecture.</p>
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