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	<title>Comments on: Everyday Theology (6): Concluding Case study</title>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott, 

I think you are right about where the conversation has to go. There is definitely an integration of these concepts in the biblical witness that make a robust anthropology difficult at times. I tend to lean in the opposite direction, and think that Paul&#039;s language about the &quot;inner man&quot;, the heart, and the flesh/spirit dichotomy tends to (just not always), point towards the core of where our action arises from. I think the Spirit&#039;s work then, in part, is a renovation of inclinations and dispositions towards God and his will, which play themselves out in the drama of redemption. 

But I am focusing on Jonathan Edwards! 

Good thoughts, I appreciate the aim towards worship to shape our doings. Blessings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, </p>
<p>I think you are right about where the conversation has to go. There is definitely an integration of these concepts in the biblical witness that make a robust anthropology difficult at times. I tend to lean in the opposite direction, and think that Paul&#8217;s language about the &#8220;inner man&#8221;, the heart, and the flesh/spirit dichotomy tends to (just not always), point towards the core of where our action arises from. I think the Spirit&#8217;s work then, in part, is a renovation of inclinations and dispositions towards God and his will, which play themselves out in the drama of redemption. </p>
<p>But I am focusing on Jonathan Edwards! </p>
<p>Good thoughts, I appreciate the aim towards worship to shape our doings. Blessings.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://theologyforum.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/everyday-theology-6-concluding-case-study/#comment-949</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kyle,

Thanks for your response. I&#039;m sure you&#039;re right they&#039;re trying to do what you said - mediate between the inner self and living in the world, or between contemplation and action, etc. 

I just don&#039;t think the anthropology that assumes really grasps the scope of the biblical witness - it still priveleges something called &#039;the inner self&#039;, which is not, in my view, what Paul means by &#039;the soul&#039; or the Psalmist or evangelists mean by &#039;the heart&#039;. Those latter realities are, I think, bound up with &#039;the whole self&#039; insofar as the people whose hearts and midns are set on the kingdom are those who go to Temple, worship God, and as a result, live in certain ways. 

My point is not that you have to privelege the heart over action or vice versa, and that I&#039;m arguing for the latter, but that I&#039;m not sure it makes sense to call for a renewal of the heart that is something other than a call to renewed worship of God - which is a set of actions through which we contemplate the kingdom - and to let that worship shape all our doings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle,</p>
<p>Thanks for your response. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re right they&#8217;re trying to do what you said &#8211; mediate between the inner self and living in the world, or between contemplation and action, etc. </p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t think the anthropology that assumes really grasps the scope of the biblical witness &#8211; it still priveleges something called &#8216;the inner self&#8217;, which is not, in my view, what Paul means by &#8216;the soul&#8217; or the Psalmist or evangelists mean by &#8216;the heart&#8217;. Those latter realities are, I think, bound up with &#8216;the whole self&#8217; insofar as the people whose hearts and midns are set on the kingdom are those who go to Temple, worship God, and as a result, live in certain ways. </p>
<p>My point is not that you have to privelege the heart over action or vice versa, and that I&#8217;m arguing for the latter, but that I&#8217;m not sure it makes sense to call for a renewal of the heart that is something other than a call to renewed worship of God &#8211; which is a set of actions through which we contemplate the kingdom &#8211; and to let that worship shape all our doings.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://theologyforum.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/everyday-theology-6-concluding-case-study/#comment-877</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott, I obviously can&#039;t answer for the authors, but let me take a jab at what I think they might say. 

When it comes down to it, what culture &quot;is&quot; as we know it has arisen because of the reality of people&#039;s hearts, in one way or another. Talking about culture then, is talking about our loves, albeit loves as a society, sub-culture, etc. 

In light of that, I think they are trying to mediate between the inner self and living in the world in different ways, or to put it a bit more classically, contemplation and action. I imagine, although I am pretty far from their text at this point, that they would argue that cultural exegesis is doing both - it is the contemplation of God and his kingdom, while at the same time, seeking to engage with culture, and therefore the world, in a way that is Christian (however that gets parsed out). 

I&#039;m not sure that it is biblical to say that the heart&#039;s desires are bound up with the whole self (although I might be pushing your language too far here), but rather, that the whole self is bound of with the heart&#039;s desires. In other words, I don&#039;t know what it would mean to talk about the heart and the mind separately. The fact that we do so, I think, represents contemporary anthropology more so than biblical (at least, that is my initial inclination). 

In any case, I think the author&#039;s point would be something along the lines that contemplation and action are not mutually exclusive, but are, in fact, necessary aspects of kingdom life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, I obviously can&#8217;t answer for the authors, but let me take a jab at what I think they might say. </p>
<p>When it comes down to it, what culture &#8220;is&#8221; as we know it has arisen because of the reality of people&#8217;s hearts, in one way or another. Talking about culture then, is talking about our loves, albeit loves as a society, sub-culture, etc. </p>
<p>In light of that, I think they are trying to mediate between the inner self and living in the world in different ways, or to put it a bit more classically, contemplation and action. I imagine, although I am pretty far from their text at this point, that they would argue that cultural exegesis is doing both &#8211; it is the contemplation of God and his kingdom, while at the same time, seeking to engage with culture, and therefore the world, in a way that is Christian (however that gets parsed out). </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that it is biblical to say that the heart&#8217;s desires are bound up with the whole self (although I might be pushing your language too far here), but rather, that the whole self is bound of with the heart&#8217;s desires. In other words, I don&#8217;t know what it would mean to talk about the heart and the mind separately. The fact that we do so, I think, represents contemporary anthropology more so than biblical (at least, that is my initial inclination). </p>
<p>In any case, I think the author&#8217;s point would be something along the lines that contemplation and action are not mutually exclusive, but are, in fact, necessary aspects of kingdom life.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://theologyforum.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/everyday-theology-6-concluding-case-study/#comment-876</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would question the assumption that &#039;cultural agency starts with the heart&#039; and thus that &#039;ALL other cultural agency flows from the heart.&#039; Although I agree that cultural forces do shape the heart - they do so by means of shaping the body and mind. It is, of course, biblical to be concerend about and focussed on &#039;the heart&#039;. But it is also biblical that the heart&#039;s desires are bound up with the whole self; all of these &#039;centres&#039; of identity - body, mind, heart - are bound together. 

In short, I would ask the authors - what is this emphasis on cultural agency that &#039;starts with the heart&#039; doing? It is one thing if that is a call to the church&#039;s praise of God, which opens up the heart to God&#039;s work by putting our minds and bodies in an appropriate context. It is another if it is suggesting that Christians need to be focussed on their &#039;inner self&#039; rather than focussing on living in the world in different ways. The latter, it seems to me, has often been the strategy of the conservative Christian right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would question the assumption that &#8216;cultural agency starts with the heart&#8217; and thus that &#8216;ALL other cultural agency flows from the heart.&#8217; Although I agree that cultural forces do shape the heart &#8211; they do so by means of shaping the body and mind. It is, of course, biblical to be concerend about and focussed on &#8216;the heart&#8217;. But it is also biblical that the heart&#8217;s desires are bound up with the whole self; all of these &#8216;centres&#8217; of identity &#8211; body, mind, heart &#8211; are bound together. </p>
<p>In short, I would ask the authors &#8211; what is this emphasis on cultural agency that &#8216;starts with the heart&#8217; doing? It is one thing if that is a call to the church&#8217;s praise of God, which opens up the heart to God&#8217;s work by putting our minds and bodies in an appropriate context. It is another if it is suggesting that Christians need to be focussed on their &#8216;inner self&#8217; rather than focussing on living in the world in different ways. The latter, it seems to me, has often been the strategy of the conservative Christian right.</p>
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