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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would love to sometime Kent. Why don&#039;t you email me when you get the chance (you should have access to my address via my subscription to these comments).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to sometime Kent. Why don&#8217;t you email me when you get the chance (you should have access to my address via my subscription to these comments).</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Eilers</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 00:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ian, thanks for the interaction. It would be nice to have you guest post some time if you are interested. Let me know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, thanks for the interaction. It would be nice to have you guest post some time if you are interested. Let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the quote extension Kent. I think this clarifies some things for me. I&#039;ll just have to read the book to form any meaningful follow up. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the quote extension Kent. I think this clarifies some things for me. I&#8217;ll just have to read the book to form any meaningful follow up. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please check out the various essays and references at this site which describe how/why none of the old &quot;answers&quot; are no longer useful---they never really were of course.

http://www.adidaupclose.org/FAQs/postmodernism2.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please check out the various essays and references at this site which describe how/why none of the old &#8220;answers&#8221; are no longer useful&#8212;they never really were of course.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.adidaupclose.org/FAQs/postmodernism2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.adidaupclose.org/FAQs/postmodernism2.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kent Eilers</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding the former, you&#039;re on the mark. Dupre has some lengthy discussion of Heidigger and comes around to say, &quot;Only recently have philosophers begun to adopt a more dynamic ontology in which becoming presents the real face of being (8)&quot;

On the later, I posted a couple more sentences from the original section to make Dupre&#039;s point more plain (hopefully). Dupre&#039;s &quot;humble&quot; exploration for &quot;building blocks&quot; doesn&#039;t sound far off from what you are suggesting. I tend to think Dupre has it right on this point, and that efforts to learn from the past (for whatever purpose of &quot;fixing&quot; the present) should heed his warning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the former, you&#8217;re on the mark. Dupre has some lengthy discussion of Heidigger and comes around to say, &#8220;Only recently have philosophers begun to adopt a more dynamic ontology in which becoming presents the real face of being (8)&#8221;</p>
<p>On the later, I posted a couple more sentences from the original section to make Dupre&#8217;s point more plain (hopefully). Dupre&#8217;s &#8220;humble&#8221; exploration for &#8220;building blocks&#8221; doesn&#8217;t sound far off from what you are suggesting. I tend to think Dupre has it right on this point, and that efforts to learn from the past (for whatever purpose of &#8220;fixing&#8221; the present) should heed his warning.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this intriguing quote, Kent.

If I may weigh in with my two cents, not having read this book or Dupre generally, I find myself agreeing and disagreeing with him. On the one hand it is sufficiently clear that modernity brings with it a kind of ontological &#039;layering over&#039; of previously held sources of belief. Heidegger&#039;s discussion of &#039;enframing&#039; in relation to technology seems instructive here, and I&#039;m sure this is what Dupre is more or less thinking about. This point ought to be brought forward any time the conventional conservative commentator springs to a &#039;slippery slope&#039; argument against perceived cultural trajectories. The reality is  that &#039;slope&#039; to which s/he refers is usually one slipped off (or bulldozed over) a long time ago. Modernity producing and sustaining its own moral ontology keeps this criticism from appearing at all appealing, and usually renders it woefully antiquated. 

That much said, I think Dupre (if I&#039;m reading him right - it&#039;s hard to tell from the passage whether he&#039;s giving an historical judgement here or proffering his own opinion) is just dead wrong about the relevance of the past. It&#039;s one thing to say that a &#039;layering&#039; has occurred which obscures or renders impotent older moral ontologies (e.g. natural law), but it is quite another to suggest this layering is insuperable or unquestionable. The cultural purchase of &#039;antiquated&#039; moral ontology may very well be all but null and void in the political realities of today, but this does not mean the ontology which replaced it does not owe a severe debt to its history. I think you&#039;ll find Gillepsie speaking about this more or less and insisting upon the opposite conclusion. To say modernity owes a debt is of course to say it is living on borrowed time. Its cherished political institutions lack all manner of intelligible and conceptual integrity. In what sense does this make the past which bore them meaningless for the present? That would seem to make it desperately necessary, in need of recovery. 

No one says the past proffers &#039;ready answers&#039; to the problems of modernity. But the past can articulate for us why we&#039;re asking the questions we&#039;re asking, and in so doing show us, on its own terms, what might be lacking or unintelligible in ours. Or am I way off? Would like to hear your thoughts on Dupre, inter alia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this intriguing quote, Kent.</p>
<p>If I may weigh in with my two cents, not having read this book or Dupre generally, I find myself agreeing and disagreeing with him. On the one hand it is sufficiently clear that modernity brings with it a kind of ontological &#8216;layering over&#8217; of previously held sources of belief. Heidegger&#8217;s discussion of &#8216;enframing&#8217; in relation to technology seems instructive here, and I&#8217;m sure this is what Dupre is more or less thinking about. This point ought to be brought forward any time the conventional conservative commentator springs to a &#8216;slippery slope&#8217; argument against perceived cultural trajectories. The reality is  that &#8216;slope&#8217; to which s/he refers is usually one slipped off (or bulldozed over) a long time ago. Modernity producing and sustaining its own moral ontology keeps this criticism from appearing at all appealing, and usually renders it woefully antiquated. </p>
<p>That much said, I think Dupre (if I&#8217;m reading him right &#8211; it&#8217;s hard to tell from the passage whether he&#8217;s giving an historical judgement here or proffering his own opinion) is just dead wrong about the relevance of the past. It&#8217;s one thing to say that a &#8216;layering&#8217; has occurred which obscures or renders impotent older moral ontologies (e.g. natural law), but it is quite another to suggest this layering is insuperable or unquestionable. The cultural purchase of &#8216;antiquated&#8217; moral ontology may very well be all but null and void in the political realities of today, but this does not mean the ontology which replaced it does not owe a severe debt to its history. I think you&#8217;ll find Gillepsie speaking about this more or less and insisting upon the opposite conclusion. To say modernity owes a debt is of course to say it is living on borrowed time. Its cherished political institutions lack all manner of intelligible and conceptual integrity. In what sense does this make the past which bore them meaningless for the present? That would seem to make it desperately necessary, in need of recovery. </p>
<p>No one says the past proffers &#8216;ready answers&#8217; to the problems of modernity. But the past can articulate for us why we&#8217;re asking the questions we&#8217;re asking, and in so doing show us, on its own terms, what might be lacking or unintelligible in ours. Or am I way off? Would like to hear your thoughts on Dupre, inter alia.</p>
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