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		<title>By: JohnL</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 04:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I heartily agree with you MikeK. My own belief is that theologians should be trained with depth and understanding as a scholar, but should be taught how to to relay that information to the non-scholar in &quot;Layman&#039;s terms&quot;. As a writer, I see the validity of both academic theology and practical theology, my concern however, is the gulf that separates the two. Paul E. Little wrote two of my favorite books; &quot;Know What You Believe&quot; and &quot;Know Why You Believe&quot;, he was both scholarly and easy to understand. We should never forsake teaching the &quot;meat of the Word&quot; so the general populus will find it entertaining, but we should be able to share it with language that they understand. It is a fine line but difficult as it may seem, it has been done before and it is our responsibility to continue in that vein and style of writing. Love the posts and God bless]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heartily agree with you MikeK. My own belief is that theologians should be trained with depth and understanding as a scholar, but should be taught how to to relay that information to the non-scholar in &#8220;Layman&#8217;s terms&#8221;. As a writer, I see the validity of both academic theology and practical theology, my concern however, is the gulf that separates the two. Paul E. Little wrote two of my favorite books; &#8220;Know What You Believe&#8221; and &#8220;Know Why You Believe&#8221;, he was both scholarly and easy to understand. We should never forsake teaching the &#8220;meat of the Word&#8221; so the general populus will find it entertaining, but we should be able to share it with language that they understand. It is a fine line but difficult as it may seem, it has been done before and it is our responsibility to continue in that vein and style of writing. Love the posts and God bless</p>
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		<title>By: Francis karakacha</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francis karakacha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 15:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am  a theologian trained in a Kenyan college rearing to take  on the great commission ; Currently I do not have a specific church that can hire  me ; Advise on what I can do]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am  a theologian trained in a Kenyan college rearing to take  on the great commission ; Currently I do not have a specific church that can hire  me ; Advise on what I can do</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jordan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 03:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kent, your last comment made me begin to wonder: are there any specific resources on how to begin thinking through these issues?  I&#039;ll be starting a PhD in the Fall and can tell that I&#039;m already continuing to wrestle with these questions and would greatly appreciate some guidance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent, your last comment made me begin to wonder: are there any specific resources on how to begin thinking through these issues?  I&#8217;ll be starting a PhD in the Fall and can tell that I&#8217;m already continuing to wrestle with these questions and would greatly appreciate some guidance.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Eilers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kent Eilers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said Mike. I would encourage you to remember (as I am sure you already know) that your PhD work &lt;i&gt;is not intended&lt;/i&gt; for the average, non-specialist reader and trying to accomplish that end with your postgraduate degree will only make the process harder and less fruitful. It is your work that later &lt;i&gt;comes out of&lt;/i&gt; your thinking and research that can be - according to this post &lt;i&gt;should be&lt;/i&gt; - directed to the average, nonspecialist reader as well as the academy, or the pastor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Mike. I would encourage you to remember (as I am sure you already know) that your PhD work <i>is not intended</i> for the average, non-specialist reader and trying to accomplish that end with your postgraduate degree will only make the process harder and less fruitful. It is your work that later <i>comes out of</i> your thinking and research that can be &#8211; according to this post <i>should be</i> &#8211; directed to the average, nonspecialist reader as well as the academy, or the pastor.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Eilers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kent Eilers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike, yes of course the academic guild &quot;might&quot; very well be described as the church (depending on which academic guild we are talking about). However, if you look back to the post you will notice that I describe &quot;church&quot; (as it appears in the post&#039;s title) as &quot;the average, non-specialist reader.&quot; See my point?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, yes of course the academic guild &#8220;might&#8221; very well be described as the church (depending on which academic guild we are talking about). However, if you look back to the post you will notice that I describe &#8220;church&#8221; (as it appears in the post&#8217;s title) as &#8220;the average, non-specialist reader.&#8221; See my point?</p>
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		<title>By: MikeK</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kent,
This is one of the finest topics to blog on. I am grateful to read everyone&#039;s stories here. I&#039;ll add some of mine.

I was admitted to the graduate program at my seminary before concluding the MDiv: but, my wife and I both realized that marriage and parenting called us with a greater strength than pursuing the PhD at that season of life. And, I have enjoyed more than 15 years of ministry.

Now that we&#039;re an empty nest, I am making the long, arcing return toward graduate studies in theology.

I mention this background, as I have received plenty of affirmation about returning for the PhD, yet most people have remained silent or have not initiated with me regarding what I perceive to follow completion of the PhD. I don&#039;t expect that I&#039;ll end up in the academy: but, I am keeping myself open to that surprise. I do understand, however, that the kind of writing expected has a much smaller cultural orbit, and extends itself to those within the academy.

Having said this, I noticed- as have many other commentators- that there is strange slogan getting bandied about, and this about your topic: &quot;theology done in service of the church.&quot; This slogan, with many variations, deserves some careful parsing when used by faculty or in promotional material of various media from graduate departments in theology.

Perhaps- and if I understand your post- this slogan really aims itself toward the educating of clergy, or at least the weight of such a slogan bends in that direction. But, rarely does it translate toward the building up of the saints: in that case, such writing always gets mediated through the clergy. And often, that is a very good thing. But, bulk of such a writing orientation targets pastors, seminarians, and other theological educators.

I want to include myself among those who need to learn to write for the folks in the pew, who serve and worship, and in general, remain committed to Christ through the local church and its mission. Such learning will require some genuine humility, and trial and error. I suppose I would add, that some different models of education for the laity, as opposed to the pastor as talking head, might also contribute toward the theological education of those in the pew and in the mission.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent,<br />
This is one of the finest topics to blog on. I am grateful to read everyone&#8217;s stories here. I&#8217;ll add some of mine.</p>
<p>I was admitted to the graduate program at my seminary before concluding the MDiv: but, my wife and I both realized that marriage and parenting called us with a greater strength than pursuing the PhD at that season of life. And, I have enjoyed more than 15 years of ministry.</p>
<p>Now that we&#8217;re an empty nest, I am making the long, arcing return toward graduate studies in theology.</p>
<p>I mention this background, as I have received plenty of affirmation about returning for the PhD, yet most people have remained silent or have not initiated with me regarding what I perceive to follow completion of the PhD. I don&#8217;t expect that I&#8217;ll end up in the academy: but, I am keeping myself open to that surprise. I do understand, however, that the kind of writing expected has a much smaller cultural orbit, and extends itself to those within the academy.</p>
<p>Having said this, I noticed- as have many other commentators- that there is strange slogan getting bandied about, and this about your topic: &#8220;theology done in service of the church.&#8221; This slogan, with many variations, deserves some careful parsing when used by faculty or in promotional material of various media from graduate departments in theology.</p>
<p>Perhaps- and if I understand your post- this slogan really aims itself toward the educating of clergy, or at least the weight of such a slogan bends in that direction. But, rarely does it translate toward the building up of the saints: in that case, such writing always gets mediated through the clergy. And often, that is a very good thing. But, bulk of such a writing orientation targets pastors, seminarians, and other theological educators.</p>
<p>I want to include myself among those who need to learn to write for the folks in the pew, who serve and worship, and in general, remain committed to Christ through the local church and its mission. Such learning will require some genuine humility, and trial and error. I suppose I would add, that some different models of education for the laity, as opposed to the pastor as talking head, might also contribute toward the theological education of those in the pew and in the mission.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 01:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can theologians even begin to write for the church.

Which church? 

There are hundreds (even thousands) of Christian sects, and over 2 billion individual Christians on the planet.

Many of these sects violently disagree with the doctrines and beliefs of other sects. And contradict each other too.

Does a peasant  Coptic Christian in Ethiopia have any points of similarity with what you promote, or how you live?

Besides which the &quot;church&quot; is an abstract entity--and you cant write to, or communicate with an abstract entity. But ONLY with individual Christians one at a time, who then may or may not change their actions on the basis of what they have understood.

Plus it takes much much more than mere left-brained &quot;theology&quot; to cause people to change at the feeling-heart.

The world is quite literally groaning under the weight of all of the theology that now exists. More people are doing/writing theology than ever before. And reading and studying it too.

Christian propaganda, both printed and via electronic media, is flooding the planet.

And yet the world altogether IS becoming more insane every day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can theologians even begin to write for the church.</p>
<p>Which church? </p>
<p>There are hundreds (even thousands) of Christian sects, and over 2 billion individual Christians on the planet.</p>
<p>Many of these sects violently disagree with the doctrines and beliefs of other sects. And contradict each other too.</p>
<p>Does a peasant  Coptic Christian in Ethiopia have any points of similarity with what you promote, or how you live?</p>
<p>Besides which the &#8220;church&#8221; is an abstract entity&#8211;and you cant write to, or communicate with an abstract entity. But ONLY with individual Christians one at a time, who then may or may not change their actions on the basis of what they have understood.</p>
<p>Plus it takes much much more than mere left-brained &#8220;theology&#8221; to cause people to change at the feeling-heart.</p>
<p>The world is quite literally groaning under the weight of all of the theology that now exists. More people are doing/writing theology than ever before. And reading and studying it too.</p>
<p>Christian propaganda, both printed and via electronic media, is flooding the planet.</p>
<p>And yet the world altogether IS becoming more insane every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 20:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is the academic guild not the church?  Why is the church functioning as a synonym for laymen?  Don&#039;t we always write for a narrow audience?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is the academic guild not the church?  Why is the church functioning as a synonym for laymen?  Don&#8217;t we always write for a narrow audience?</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Eilers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kent Eilers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not entirely sure what you mean, &quot;go with your rational side.&quot; What would it look like to do this, and what would be the alternative, some kind of non-rational study of theology (is there such a thing)? 

And hasn&#039;t the overemphasis of the &quot;rational&quot; and &quot;mind&quot; led to the  separation of head from heart, theory from practice, and science from wisdom that makes the study of theology seem to so many in the church only a dead science or quaint hobby? Shouldn&#039;t our approach in theological education be to bring together head and heart, theory and practice, science and wisdom?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not entirely sure what you mean, &#8220;go with your rational side.&#8221; What would it look like to do this, and what would be the alternative, some kind of non-rational study of theology (is there such a thing)? </p>
<p>And hasn&#8217;t the overemphasis of the &#8220;rational&#8221; and &#8220;mind&#8221; led to the  separation of head from heart, theory from practice, and science from wisdom that makes the study of theology seem to so many in the church only a dead science or quaint hobby? Shouldn&#8217;t our approach in theological education be to bring together head and heart, theory and practice, science and wisdom?</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kent:

I think that if you go with your rational side - &quot;come, let us reason together&quot;; the &quot;mind&quot; of Christ - you&#039;ll also do well enough as a scholar, if you chose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent:</p>
<p>I think that if you go with your rational side &#8211; &#8220;come, let us reason together&#8221;; the &#8220;mind&#8221; of Christ &#8211; you&#8217;ll also do well enough as a scholar, if you chose.</p>
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