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		<title>By: Fred Lester</title>
		<link>http://theologyforum.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/the-word-of-god-for-the-people-of-god-a-review/#comment-24891</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 00:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does &quot; the word of GOD for the people of God &quot; appear in the bible ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does &#8221; the word of GOD for the people of God &#8221; appear in the bible ?</p>
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		<title>By: Bible Word of God</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Definitely, It is not a single, discrete method or discipline; rather, it is a wide range of practices we use toward the goal of knowing God in Christ through Scripture. This is an inspired post. Thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely, It is not a single, discrete method or discipline; rather, it is a wide range of practices we use toward the goal of knowing God in Christ through Scripture. This is an inspired post. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Word of God</title>
		<link>http://theologyforum.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/the-word-of-god-for-the-people-of-god-a-review/#comment-24217</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 18:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;the theological interpretation of Scripture is a multifaceted practice of a community of faith reading the Bible as God’s instrument of self-revelation and saving fellowship. It is not a single, discrete method or discipline; rather, it is a wide range of practices we use toward the goal of knowing God in Christ through Scripture&quot; - I love the end part of that statement start from &quot;It is not a single, discrete method or discipline&quot; This is absolutely correct.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the theological interpretation of Scripture is a multifaceted practice of a community of faith reading the Bible as God’s instrument of self-revelation and saving fellowship. It is not a single, discrete method or discipline; rather, it is a wide range of practices we use toward the goal of knowing God in Christ through Scripture&#8221; &#8211; I love the end part of that statement start from &#8220;It is not a single, discrete method or discipline&#8221; This is absolutely correct.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeK</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 15:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would straddle the fence upon the questions you posed, and all of them are a good. The topic itself begs for a ecclesial response.

Here&#039;s one side: I doubt even the most devout man or woman serving in a local congregation that has a library (!) will investigate the volumes. I mention this, as I&#039;ve served in a few Presbyterian churches in NA, and some relatively fresh and engaging dictionaries and encyclopedias sit on the library shelves collecting dust. Much of these texts would fund, correct, and expand the imagination for worship and mission for many of these devout men and women. For some of the churches without a tradition of keeping a theological library on their campuses, the distance from such fine resources is only longer: obvious enough.

When I&#039;ve suggested to some of the folks I know who have the chops to read such resources, there&#039;s always been a reticence to crack such books, and it&#039;s not entirely a false objection: they don&#039;t want to wade through arguments and data that speak to the author&#039;s colleagues and interlocutors: they want to follow the topic along and determine how it may empower their reading of and faith in the Scriptures.

Let me also add that in a recent conference our ministry hosted for university students, I found a mixed bag of students regarding their reading skills, as well as a mixed capacity to verbalize their reflections and synthesis. I don&#039;t mean for this get us too far afield, but, here again, there was a troubling inability to read in a way that did justice to the text and allow the text to generate theological replies of worship and mission: and very little initiative to even &quot;connect the dots.&quot; There were some delightful exceptions! Nonetheless, my doubts that anyone will make this pursuit are there on this one side.

The other side regards something you intimated in a reply to another commenter, viz., getting started with the generation that is receiving theological education. I would want to affirm this in the strongest possible way. Among the few students I mentioned above, I sought them out to encourage their approach, as well as to begin reading some other works, e.g., &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ivpress.com/cgi-ivpress/book.pl/code=2571&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Mission of God&lt;/a&gt; by Wright, in order to expand some of their budding theological reading of the Bible. We have to take some risks regarding other books, e.g., Billings, to cultivate what someone else coined as TIS! Do nothing: and there&#039;s no change. But, &quot;starting young&quot; could not be affirmed enough; and clearly there is much more that could be discussed in this regard of andragogy and pedagogy.

I try not to get my hopes up too high, and yet some of the insight and imagination expressed by the students (undergrads at that) could not help but elevate the worship and mission of those listening. Good questions!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would straddle the fence upon the questions you posed, and all of them are a good. The topic itself begs for a ecclesial response.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one side: I doubt even the most devout man or woman serving in a local congregation that has a library (!) will investigate the volumes. I mention this, as I&#8217;ve served in a few Presbyterian churches in NA, and some relatively fresh and engaging dictionaries and encyclopedias sit on the library shelves collecting dust. Much of these texts would fund, correct, and expand the imagination for worship and mission for many of these devout men and women. For some of the churches without a tradition of keeping a theological library on their campuses, the distance from such fine resources is only longer: obvious enough.</p>
<p>When I&#8217;ve suggested to some of the folks I know who have the chops to read such resources, there&#8217;s always been a reticence to crack such books, and it&#8217;s not entirely a false objection: they don&#8217;t want to wade through arguments and data that speak to the author&#8217;s colleagues and interlocutors: they want to follow the topic along and determine how it may empower their reading of and faith in the Scriptures.</p>
<p>Let me also add that in a recent conference our ministry hosted for university students, I found a mixed bag of students regarding their reading skills, as well as a mixed capacity to verbalize their reflections and synthesis. I don&#8217;t mean for this get us too far afield, but, here again, there was a troubling inability to read in a way that did justice to the text and allow the text to generate theological replies of worship and mission: and very little initiative to even &#8220;connect the dots.&#8221; There were some delightful exceptions! Nonetheless, my doubts that anyone will make this pursuit are there on this one side.</p>
<p>The other side regards something you intimated in a reply to another commenter, viz., getting started with the generation that is receiving theological education. I would want to affirm this in the strongest possible way. Among the few students I mentioned above, I sought them out to encourage their approach, as well as to begin reading some other works, e.g., <a href="http://www.ivpress.com/cgi-ivpress/book.pl/code=2571" rel="nofollow">The Mission of God</a> by Wright, in order to expand some of their budding theological reading of the Bible. We have to take some risks regarding other books, e.g., Billings, to cultivate what someone else coined as TIS! Do nothing: and there&#8217;s no change. But, &#8220;starting young&#8221; could not be affirmed enough; and clearly there is much more that could be discussed in this regard of andragogy and pedagogy.</p>
<p>I try not to get my hopes up too high, and yet some of the insight and imagination expressed by the students (undergrads at that) could not help but elevate the worship and mission of those listening. Good questions!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Reitman</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 14:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kent,

I had just finished reading the book when your review popped up on TF.  In regards to the issue highlighted above by Mike D, I would say that Billings&#039; proposal is hopelessly optimistic, at least for our generation.  Furthermore, even with Billings&#039; careful qualifications regarding the theological skewing of ancient interpreters whenever we set out to mine the nuggets they &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; afford, I suspect the dangers for the &quot;everyday Christian&quot; significantly outweigh the potential benefits.  We are left, then---as we always have been, with the theological presuppositions in the pulpit to frame the contributions of ancient interpreters to TIS for the everyday Christian.

I found far more compelling his engagement of Vanhoozer&#039;s work on performance of Scripture.  For several years I have been teaching this aspect of interacting with the text to my beginning hermeneutics students as a central part of their term exegesis project and found that this is quite doable, once I am able to draw the appropriate analogies using speech-act theory as both a heuristic and to underscore the importance of the Word of God in eliciting suitable &quot;perlocutions&quot; or performances from the people of God, even in this postmodern era.

I think Billings does a masterful job of explaining the basic concepts and foregrounding their critical importance for all the people of God.  Hence, I believe he does more justice to the title of his book for his target audience than most recent attempts to outline an entryway to TIS like those of Trier and Bowald.  In a nutshell, the theological interpretation of Scripture cannot be &quot;hermetically sealed&quot; from the work of the Spirit in the very interpreter charged with responding appropriately to the &quot;illocutionary force&quot; of the locutions comprising the Word of God.

Along these lines, I have one minor quibble with Billings&#039; definition of &lt;i&gt;perlocution&lt;/i&gt;, which doesn&#039;t adequately capture Vanhoozer&#039;s emphasis (he relies heavily on Vanhoozer&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Drama of Doctrine&lt;/i&gt;):  In footnote 16 of the final chapter  (pp. 207-8), Billings tries to distinguish between an &lt;i&gt;illocutionary&lt;/i&gt; and a &lt;i&gt;perlocutionary&lt;/i&gt; act as, respectively, one performed &quot;&lt;i&gt;in&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;through&lt;/i&gt; the locution&quot; and &quot;an act performed &lt;i&gt;by&lt;/i&gt; saying something.&quot;  This is confusing, because there is no substantive difference between the prepositions &lt;i&gt;in&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;through&lt;/i&gt;, and &lt;i&gt;by&lt;/i&gt;; i.e.,  Billings simply defines &lt;i&gt;perlocution&lt;/i&gt; in the same way as &lt;i&gt;illocution&lt;/i&gt; and misses a golden opportunity to identify &lt;i&gt;perlocutions&lt;/i&gt;---as does Vanhoozer---with &quot;suitable performances.&quot;  Similarly, he also misses the opportunity to identify his earlier notion (chap. 4) of &quot;the Spirit&#039;s varied yet &lt;b&gt;bounded work&lt;/b&gt;&quot; (emphasis mine) with the &quot;suitable performances&quot; that comprise  the &lt;b&gt;bounded range of perlocutions&lt;/b&gt; for the people of God in response to the Word of God in any particular historical period.  Hence, only &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; perlocutions respond &quot;suitably&quot; to the Word of God.  Others clearly &lt;i&gt;do not&lt;/i&gt;---even taking into account dramatic differences in contextualization, which gives the lie to most reader-response criticism &quot;out there&quot; in the field of postmodern hermeneutics, as Vanhoozer has so brilliantly set forth in &lt;i&gt;Is There a Meaning in This Text?&lt;/i&gt;

For those interested in the substantive application of speech-act theory to TIS I have &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.21stcenturypress.com/wisdombook/WordsofTruth2009rev.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reviewed&lt;/a&gt; Vanhoozer&#039;s work in precisely this light.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent,</p>
<p>I had just finished reading the book when your review popped up on TF.  In regards to the issue highlighted above by Mike D, I would say that Billings&#8217; proposal is hopelessly optimistic, at least for our generation.  Furthermore, even with Billings&#8217; careful qualifications regarding the theological skewing of ancient interpreters whenever we set out to mine the nuggets they <i>do</i> afford, I suspect the dangers for the &#8220;everyday Christian&#8221; significantly outweigh the potential benefits.  We are left, then&#8212;as we always have been, with the theological presuppositions in the pulpit to frame the contributions of ancient interpreters to TIS for the everyday Christian.</p>
<p>I found far more compelling his engagement of Vanhoozer&#8217;s work on performance of Scripture.  For several years I have been teaching this aspect of interacting with the text to my beginning hermeneutics students as a central part of their term exegesis project and found that this is quite doable, once I am able to draw the appropriate analogies using speech-act theory as both a heuristic and to underscore the importance of the Word of God in eliciting suitable &#8220;perlocutions&#8221; or performances from the people of God, even in this postmodern era.</p>
<p>I think Billings does a masterful job of explaining the basic concepts and foregrounding their critical importance for all the people of God.  Hence, I believe he does more justice to the title of his book for his target audience than most recent attempts to outline an entryway to TIS like those of Trier and Bowald.  In a nutshell, the theological interpretation of Scripture cannot be &#8220;hermetically sealed&#8221; from the work of the Spirit in the very interpreter charged with responding appropriately to the &#8220;illocutionary force&#8221; of the locutions comprising the Word of God.</p>
<p>Along these lines, I have one minor quibble with Billings&#8217; definition of <i>perlocution</i>, which doesn&#8217;t adequately capture Vanhoozer&#8217;s emphasis (he relies heavily on Vanhoozer&#8217;s <i>Drama of Doctrine</i>):  In footnote 16 of the final chapter  (pp. 207-8), Billings tries to distinguish between an <i>illocutionary</i> and a <i>perlocutionary</i> act as, respectively, one performed &#8220;<i>in</i> or <i>through</i> the locution&#8221; and &#8220;an act performed <i>by</i> saying something.&#8221;  This is confusing, because there is no substantive difference between the prepositions <i>in</i>, <i>through</i>, and <i>by</i>; i.e.,  Billings simply defines <i>perlocution</i> in the same way as <i>illocution</i> and misses a golden opportunity to identify <i>perlocutions</i>&#8212;as does Vanhoozer&#8212;with &#8220;suitable performances.&#8221;  Similarly, he also misses the opportunity to identify his earlier notion (chap. 4) of &#8220;the Spirit&#8217;s varied yet <b>bounded work</b>&#8221; (emphasis mine) with the &#8220;suitable performances&#8221; that comprise  the <b>bounded range of perlocutions</b> for the people of God in response to the Word of God in any particular historical period.  Hence, only <i>some</i> perlocutions respond &#8220;suitably&#8221; to the Word of God.  Others clearly <i>do not</i>&#8212;even taking into account dramatic differences in contextualization, which gives the lie to most reader-response criticism &#8220;out there&#8221; in the field of postmodern hermeneutics, as Vanhoozer has so brilliantly set forth in <i>Is There a Meaning in This Text?</i></p>
<p>For those interested in the substantive application of speech-act theory to TIS I have <a href="http://www.21stcenturypress.com/wisdombook/WordsofTruth2009rev.pdf" rel="nofollow">reviewed</a> Vanhoozer&#8217;s work in precisely this light.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Eilers</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 14:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike, I also had the same thought after reading John Thompson&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Reading the Bible with the Dead&lt;/i&gt; and David Parris&#039; &lt;i&gt; Reading the Bible with Giants&lt;/i&gt;. Not that they didn&#039;t have suggestions: Thompson recommends &quot;cultivating the habit of history&quot; and Parris counsels preachers to make the history of exegesis a more regular part of their sermons. Considering most lay Christians gain their most regular training in theological reasoning and exegesis from weekly sermons (for better or for worse), you are probably right that the sermon is the first place to begin. But that requires pastors to have a vision for this, and that vision will probably have a better chance of gaining foothold if it starts in seminary. So maybe this all comes back to the theological education of tomorrow&#039;s pastors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I also had the same thought after reading John Thompson&#8217;s <i>Reading the Bible with the Dead</i> and David Parris&#8217; <i> Reading the Bible with Giants</i>. Not that they didn&#8217;t have suggestions: Thompson recommends &#8220;cultivating the habit of history&#8221; and Parris counsels preachers to make the history of exegesis a more regular part of their sermons. Considering most lay Christians gain their most regular training in theological reasoning and exegesis from weekly sermons (for better or for worse), you are probably right that the sermon is the first place to begin. But that requires pastors to have a vision for this, and that vision will probably have a better chance of gaining foothold if it starts in seminary. So maybe this all comes back to the theological education of tomorrow&#8217;s pastors.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 13:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mike d</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 11:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I read &lt;I&gt;The Word of God for the People of God&lt;/I&gt; I was left with pretty much the exact same Amen(!) and the exact same question.  

In my experience its difficult to get &quot;everyday Christians&quot; (at least in my circles) very interested in figures like Augustine, Calvin, Aquinas, etc - even as aids in biblical reading rather than as theoretical theologians.

I&#039;ve always thought that at least part of what a pastor is doing in giving a sermon is modeling biblical engagement for a congregation - giving them some tools to enter the texts themselves.  So perhaps a suggestion might be that pastors should interact with historical exegesis in sermons a bit more, but that&#039;s a difficult thing to do without coming off as if you&#039;re giving a lecture rather than a sermon. 

I interviewed Billings on &lt;I&gt;The Word of God for the People of God&lt;/I&gt; a while back &lt;a href=&quot;http://woodwardtheologicalsociety.org/interviews/2010/03/j-todd-billings-word-god-people-god&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;  if you&#039;re interested.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read <i>The Word of God for the People of God</i> I was left with pretty much the exact same Amen(!) and the exact same question.  </p>
<p>In my experience its difficult to get &#8220;everyday Christians&#8221; (at least in my circles) very interested in figures like Augustine, Calvin, Aquinas, etc &#8211; even as aids in biblical reading rather than as theoretical theologians.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always thought that at least part of what a pastor is doing in giving a sermon is modeling biblical engagement for a congregation &#8211; giving them some tools to enter the texts themselves.  So perhaps a suggestion might be that pastors should interact with historical exegesis in sermons a bit more, but that&#8217;s a difficult thing to do without coming off as if you&#8217;re giving a lecture rather than a sermon. </p>
<p>I interviewed Billings on <i>The Word of God for the People of God</i> a while back <a href="http://woodwardtheologicalsociety.org/interviews/2010/03/j-todd-billings-word-god-people-god" rel="nofollow">here</a>  if you&#8217;re interested.</p>
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