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		<title>By: brettongarcia</title>
		<link>http://theologyforum.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/tough-words-from-owen/#comment-20663</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is often assumed that theologians must humbly learn from working pastors, so as to avoid the sins of vanity and esoterica.

But consider this from another perspective:  do ordinary churchgoers and pastors, really know more than theologians, about theology and God? Or do they know less?  

And if ordinary folks know less, then how can theologians working with ordinary folks, avoid being tainted by, dragged down into, their bad theology?  

Especially, how can theologians, by publically associating themselves with such persons, as one of them, avoid the appearance and even actuality, of in the end supporting not only them personally, but also inevitably, unwillingly, appearing to stand behind, their worst theological sins and errors?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is often assumed that theologians must humbly learn from working pastors, so as to avoid the sins of vanity and esoterica.</p>
<p>But consider this from another perspective:  do ordinary churchgoers and pastors, really know more than theologians, about theology and God? Or do they know less?  </p>
<p>And if ordinary folks know less, then how can theologians working with ordinary folks, avoid being tainted by, dragged down into, their bad theology?  </p>
<p>Especially, how can theologians, by publically associating themselves with such persons, as one of them, avoid the appearance and even actuality, of in the end supporting not only them personally, but also inevitably, unwillingly, appearing to stand behind, their worst theological sins and errors?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Duby</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 00:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I can&#039;t speak from the vantage point of someone who has finished up their education and is teaching theology in an academic setting, so I&#039;ll hazard a few comments with the acknowledgment that they come from limited experience.  

Apart from teaching future pastors involved in formal theological training, I think that, given the typical church model in the U.S., serving in the capacity of Sunday school teacher (or some similar role) is a viable option.  In our current church I&#039;ve had the opportunity to do some teaching on the perseverance of the saints, some eschatological themes in the book of Revelation, and the Christ-and-culture question and I think it&#039;s safe to say that the laity are really interested in exploring issues in Christian doctrine.  The trick may be balancing delivery of content with offering space for dialogue in which people can actually practice reasoning theologically together.

If the sermon is the focal point of theological reflection in the church and, if theologians can help there without being overly critical, churches will be better off.  I would be curious to hear more from theologians who have healthy relationships with their pastors wherein they are truly shepherded by their pastors even as their pastors can pose theological and spiritual questions to them and receive feedback from them on their preaching and teaching.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I can&#8217;t speak from the vantage point of someone who has finished up their education and is teaching theology in an academic setting, so I&#8217;ll hazard a few comments with the acknowledgment that they come from limited experience.  </p>
<p>Apart from teaching future pastors involved in formal theological training, I think that, given the typical church model in the U.S., serving in the capacity of Sunday school teacher (or some similar role) is a viable option.  In our current church I&#8217;ve had the opportunity to do some teaching on the perseverance of the saints, some eschatological themes in the book of Revelation, and the Christ-and-culture question and I think it&#8217;s safe to say that the laity are really interested in exploring issues in Christian doctrine.  The trick may be balancing delivery of content with offering space for dialogue in which people can actually practice reasoning theologically together.</p>
<p>If the sermon is the focal point of theological reflection in the church and, if theologians can help there without being overly critical, churches will be better off.  I would be curious to hear more from theologians who have healthy relationships with their pastors wherein they are truly shepherded by their pastors even as their pastors can pose theological and spiritual questions to them and receive feedback from them on their preaching and teaching.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Hess</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many inside and outside the church approach community the way they approach the grocery...always looking for the best deals.  How can I get more and give less.

Owen reminds us to commit to people and our communities through thick and thin.  Community that never get sticky or difficult at times probably isn&#039;t real or healthy.  Thanks for sharing this gem from Owen!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many inside and outside the church approach community the way they approach the grocery&#8230;always looking for the best deals.  How can I get more and give less.</p>
<p>Owen reminds us to commit to people and our communities through thick and thin.  Community that never get sticky or difficult at times probably isn&#8217;t real or healthy.  Thanks for sharing this gem from Owen!</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Eilers</title>
		<link>http://theologyforum.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/tough-words-from-owen/#comment-20622</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 20:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, well said. What do your remarks here say about the role &lt;i&gt;you envision&lt;/i&gt; the theologian to take in relation to the church? In other words, what is the Christian theologian&#039;s relationship to the local church?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, well said. What do your remarks here say about the role <i>you envision</i> the theologian to take in relation to the church? In other words, what is the Christian theologian&#8217;s relationship to the local church?</p>
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