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	<title>Comments on: Theological Educator As&#8230;(Ruminations of a Novice. Pt. 3)</title>
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		<title>By: Jamie Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie Thomson]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess in terms of the teaching responsibility that worship leaders have, there is firstly the need for relationship - if you are going to learn from someone you need to feel like you can trust them. Another thing is more and more we see people learning their theology through the songs that they sing. With the rise in popularity of christian music, it is the songs from a sunday morning that people are singing through the week in their cars, around the house etc.. This is by no means lowering the impact and need for teaching but this is something that I have been very aware of when writing, selecting and leading songs..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess in terms of the teaching responsibility that worship leaders have, there is firstly the need for relationship &#8211; if you are going to learn from someone you need to feel like you can trust them. Another thing is more and more we see people learning their theology through the songs that they sing. With the rise in popularity of christian music, it is the songs from a sunday morning that people are singing through the week in their cars, around the house etc.. This is by no means lowering the impact and need for teaching but this is something that I have been very aware of when writing, selecting and leading songs..</p>
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		<title>By: Don Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Payne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this, Kent.  It resonated deeply with me, particularly your penultimate paragraph and, within that, particularly this statement: &quot;In me, I hope they see something of Christ’s willingness to suffer the cost of entering into our place as finite, human, unknowing, creatures.&quot;

I have long been frustrated at experts who cannot teach well because they know too much, are overly enchanted by their subject matter, and don&#039;t have the ability (or sense) to discriminate between all that they know and what student needs to know.  The most handy example of this for me is IT people who try to show tech-idiots like me how to use new software or new equipment.  But the problem shows up in our field(s), too, and becomes even more egregious because of the gravity of our subject matter.  I have seen it in teaching labs where masters level students have to practice teaching and perpetually &quot;overteach;&quot; everything they know is of enormous significance to them and they take an almost compulsively dumptruck approach.  Then, we become more than poor teachers; we become condescending and cynical toward those teach because we perceive them to be superficial or in some way &quot;they just don&#039;t get it&quot;.  As educators we face constant pressures, both internal and external, to have things figured out and get past the scandal of our own unknowing.  When we accept and respond to those pressures (and I sure do) we fall prey to the very vice and disconnectedness that you and Lewis describe.  Only when we own and teach through our own unknowing can what we do know have any real significance.

Thanks for the insightful and prophetic reminder, brother!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this, Kent.  It resonated deeply with me, particularly your penultimate paragraph and, within that, particularly this statement: &#8220;In me, I hope they see something of Christ’s willingness to suffer the cost of entering into our place as finite, human, unknowing, creatures.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have long been frustrated at experts who cannot teach well because they know too much, are overly enchanted by their subject matter, and don&#8217;t have the ability (or sense) to discriminate between all that they know and what student needs to know.  The most handy example of this for me is IT people who try to show tech-idiots like me how to use new software or new equipment.  But the problem shows up in our field(s), too, and becomes even more egregious because of the gravity of our subject matter.  I have seen it in teaching labs where masters level students have to practice teaching and perpetually &#8220;overteach;&#8221; everything they know is of enormous significance to them and they take an almost compulsively dumptruck approach.  Then, we become more than poor teachers; we become condescending and cynical toward those teach because we perceive them to be superficial or in some way &#8220;they just don&#8217;t get it&#8221;.  As educators we face constant pressures, both internal and external, to have things figured out and get past the scandal of our own unknowing.  When we accept and respond to those pressures (and I sure do) we fall prey to the very vice and disconnectedness that you and Lewis describe.  Only when we own and teach through our own unknowing can what we do know have any real significance.</p>
<p>Thanks for the insightful and prophetic reminder, brother!</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Eilers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kent Eilers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jamie, so good to hear from you! In this series of posts on &quot;theological educators&quot; I actually have more than just college profs in mind (although that is the perspective from which I am writing). Everything here should apply to preachers and those who teach in other church settings as well, even if the details might look a bit different based on the context. But the principles should carry through. 

Worship leaders have a teaching responsibility as well, something you and I talked about often. Any ideas for how this might apply there?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie, so good to hear from you! In this series of posts on &#8220;theological educators&#8221; I actually have more than just college profs in mind (although that is the perspective from which I am writing). Everything here should apply to preachers and those who teach in other church settings as well, even if the details might look a bit different based on the context. But the principles should carry through. </p>
<p>Worship leaders have a teaching responsibility as well, something you and I talked about often. Any ideas for how this might apply there?</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie Thomson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Kent,

I love this. When reading it I guess I was drawn more towards thinking of teaching in church rather than academically but I wonder whether all to often, we get preachers and teachers teaching (as lewis puts it) &quot;what is understood already&quot; and failing to dig deeper and answer the questions that continue to go unanswered in the church.

Equally perhaps sometimes we go too far in trying to answer the &#039;unanswered&#039; and fail to teach the basics...its a fascinating balance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kent,</p>
<p>I love this. When reading it I guess I was drawn more towards thinking of teaching in church rather than academically but I wonder whether all to often, we get preachers and teachers teaching (as lewis puts it) &#8220;what is understood already&#8221; and failing to dig deeper and answer the questions that continue to go unanswered in the church.</p>
<p>Equally perhaps sometimes we go too far in trying to answer the &#8216;unanswered&#8217; and fail to teach the basics&#8230;its a fascinating balance.</p>
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		<title>By: brettongarcia</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Eilers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kent Eilers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are right Jim; there is no &quot;theology-free&quot; zone (thankfully), historical, hermeneutical or otherwise. Blessings on your teaching, and we are glad for your company and conversation here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right Jim; there is no &#8220;theology-free&#8221; zone (thankfully), historical, hermeneutical or otherwise. Blessings on your teaching, and we are glad for your company and conversation here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Reitman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Reitman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kent,

As I prepare this the last couple of weeks before I begin teaching one of the hermeneutics sections for beginning students at Denver Seminary, I find myself struggling as an educator at &lt;i&gt;exactly&lt;/i&gt; this point.  I have been a teacher for many years in other contexts and I recognize the dynamic you described all too well.  Some call it teaching &quot;from the 60,000 foot level.&quot;  One thing I &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; learned is the conclusion you reached:  I have learned to love my students more than I love the approval of others for putting everything together and tying really nice bows.  I have learned that &quot;love covers a multitude of [pedagogical] sin.&quot;

Thanks for the reminder, my friend.  As I go over the PowerPoint slides and try to fine-tune the presentations to include the latest developments in hermeneutics and face the temptation each day to unload the whole dump-truck---because &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; find it exciting and because, in the final analysis, it &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; important---I will keep your ruminations in mind and try to listen carefully to what&#039;s going on in &lt;i&gt;them&lt;/i&gt; before answering questions that aren&#039;t being asked.

The other thing I have realized anew in these intensely frustrating recent exchanges with Brett is that teaching hermeneutics entails first &lt;i&gt;doing theology&lt;/i&gt;.  It has come upon me with ever increasing weight that even though I &quot;just&quot; teach hermeneutics, I end up nonetheless being a &lt;i&gt;theological&lt;/i&gt; educator, and that carries proportionally &lt;strong&gt;weighty&lt;/i&gt; responsibility&lt;/strong&gt; (Jas 3:1) . . . yet another source of humility for those who, like me, are so prone to abide in that rarefied atmosphere at 60,000 feet.  I&#039;m so thankful for the faithful men around me who have committed to &quot;sanctified heel-grabbing&quot; and keep pulling my feet back down to earth each time my theological hot-air balloon begins to gain upward momentum.  And this theological educator is all the better for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent,</p>
<p>As I prepare this the last couple of weeks before I begin teaching one of the hermeneutics sections for beginning students at Denver Seminary, I find myself struggling as an educator at <i>exactly</i> this point.  I have been a teacher for many years in other contexts and I recognize the dynamic you described all too well.  Some call it teaching &#8220;from the 60,000 foot level.&#8221;  One thing I <i>have</i> learned is the conclusion you reached:  I have learned to love my students more than I love the approval of others for putting everything together and tying really nice bows.  I have learned that &#8220;love covers a multitude of [pedagogical] sin.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks for the reminder, my friend.  As I go over the PowerPoint slides and try to fine-tune the presentations to include the latest developments in hermeneutics and face the temptation each day to unload the whole dump-truck&#8212;because <i>I</i> find it exciting and because, in the final analysis, it <i>is</i> important&#8212;I will keep your ruminations in mind and try to listen carefully to what&#8217;s going on in <i>them</i> before answering questions that aren&#8217;t being asked.</p>
<p>The other thing I have realized anew in these intensely frustrating recent exchanges with Brett is that teaching hermeneutics entails first <i>doing theology</i>.  It has come upon me with ever increasing weight that even though I &#8220;just&#8221; teach hermeneutics, I end up nonetheless being a <i>theological</i> educator, and that carries proportionally <strong>weighty responsibility</strong> (Jas 3:1) . . . yet another source of humility for those who, like me, are so prone to abide in that rarefied atmosphere at 60,000 feet.  I&#8217;m so thankful for the faithful men around me who have committed to &#8220;sanctified heel-grabbing&#8221; and keep pulling my feet back down to earth each time my theological hot-air balloon begins to gain upward momentum.  And this theological educator is all the better for it.</p>
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