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		<title>By: Karl Barth on Mozart: Light Perpetual Shines &#124; abstractcathedral.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 17:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] but in which the shadow is not darkness&#8230;&#8221;  Consider this a great introduction to Barth&#8217;s own theology which, like good music, is an endless and unstagnant variation on a theme.  A theme rooted in the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] but in which the shadow is not darkness&#8230;&#8221;  Consider this a great introduction to Barth&#8217;s own theology which, like good music, is an endless and unstagnant variation on a theme.  A theme rooted in the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Distractions: February 2011 Edition &#124; abstractcathedral.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 07:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] comments really helpful.  Reading Barth really is like listening to music.  Here are &#8220;4 handles&#8221; to get you [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Around: ‘And I am dumb to tell a weather&#8217;s wind/How time has ticked a heaven round the stars’ &#171; P e r ∙ C r u c e m ∙ a d ∙ L u c e m</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 21:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Eilers offers ‘four handles’ on reading [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: brettongarcia</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 16:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems from this and many other posts, that you like Art, including Literature.  And it seems that the kind of Theology you may like, in effect &quot;reads&quot; theology -  even reads God himself - as Art.  As a multi-facted, often &quot;ambiguous,&quot; multi-vocalic poem or novel.  With many &quot;themes&quot; converging, and diverging.

If so?  To me, this seems like a very useful approach.  You seem to be talking in effect about the &quot;art&quot; of theology; even the fine art of understanding God.   

For myself, to be sure, this is not my own approach at the present time.  Barth&#039;s endless, artful equivocation between different voices, contrasting ideas - even between the views of believers, vs. unbelievers?; or German rational religion, vs. belief - eventually cloys.  For me, perpectual, suggestive coyness, endless flirtation with two or more theses, finally becomes ...cloying. I believe our own era might finally require ... some far clearer, unequivocal statements.  At least to clearly counter Fundamentalism, or Right Wing religion, for example, with a clearly opposing voice.

No doubt though, this &quot;artistic&quot; approach - &quot;reading&quot; God as an endlessly complicated and multifaceted text or poem or painting - could easily sustain an entire, successful career, it seems to me.  If anyone is interested.

Ironically, many traditionally have seen church&quot;dogmas&quot; or canon law in particular, to be an area of creative interpretation.  Which seems true in fact to say recent (1917; c. 1983) Catholic canon law.   Indeed, the original language of canon law, seems rather artistic /poetic /polysemic.  In an effort to accomodate many otherwise conflicting theologies; views of God.  In fact, artistic/poetic polysemy or equivocation, is found not just in canon law - but also I&#039;d suggest, the Bible itself.  (See Richard Bauckham and others on the Bible as &quot;literature&quot;?).

To be sure, there is an irony, and a danger, in making church dogma and so forth - dogma being normally synonymous with fixity, dogmatism - an area for creative interpretation. But indeed, many phrases in both the Bible, and also Church canon law, are written with often artful polysemy.  Freely encouraging a artistic, multifaced, even equivocal reading.  In attempts to incorporate two or more points of view, or two or more theologies, whenever possible.  

An &quot;artistic&quot; approach to dogma and even the Bible itself, seems viable therefore.  And might complement various Post Modern theologies, centered around art or theatre/&quot;performance.&quot;  (Like Van H&#039;s?).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems from this and many other posts, that you like Art, including Literature.  And it seems that the kind of Theology you may like, in effect &#8220;reads&#8221; theology &#8211;  even reads God himself &#8211; as Art.  As a multi-facted, often &#8220;ambiguous,&#8221; multi-vocalic poem or novel.  With many &#8220;themes&#8221; converging, and diverging.</p>
<p>If so?  To me, this seems like a very useful approach.  You seem to be talking in effect about the &#8220;art&#8221; of theology; even the fine art of understanding God.   </p>
<p>For myself, to be sure, this is not my own approach at the present time.  Barth&#8217;s endless, artful equivocation between different voices, contrasting ideas &#8211; even between the views of believers, vs. unbelievers?; or German rational religion, vs. belief &#8211; eventually cloys.  For me, perpectual, suggestive coyness, endless flirtation with two or more theses, finally becomes &#8230;cloying. I believe our own era might finally require &#8230; some far clearer, unequivocal statements.  At least to clearly counter Fundamentalism, or Right Wing religion, for example, with a clearly opposing voice.</p>
<p>No doubt though, this &#8220;artistic&#8221; approach &#8211; &#8220;reading&#8221; God as an endlessly complicated and multifaceted text or poem or painting &#8211; could easily sustain an entire, successful career, it seems to me.  If anyone is interested.</p>
<p>Ironically, many traditionally have seen church&#8221;dogmas&#8221; or canon law in particular, to be an area of creative interpretation.  Which seems true in fact to say recent (1917; c. 1983) Catholic canon law.   Indeed, the original language of canon law, seems rather artistic /poetic /polysemic.  In an effort to accomodate many otherwise conflicting theologies; views of God.  In fact, artistic/poetic polysemy or equivocation, is found not just in canon law &#8211; but also I&#8217;d suggest, the Bible itself.  (See Richard Bauckham and others on the Bible as &#8220;literature&#8221;?).</p>
<p>To be sure, there is an irony, and a danger, in making church dogma and so forth &#8211; dogma being normally synonymous with fixity, dogmatism &#8211; an area for creative interpretation. But indeed, many phrases in both the Bible, and also Church canon law, are written with often artful polysemy.  Freely encouraging a artistic, multifaced, even equivocal reading.  In attempts to incorporate two or more points of view, or two or more theologies, whenever possible.  </p>
<p>An &#8220;artistic&#8221; approach to dogma and even the Bible itself, seems viable therefore.  And might complement various Post Modern theologies, centered around art or theatre/&#8221;performance.&#8221;  (Like Van H&#8217;s?).</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Eilers</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 20:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me know where your thinking leads you Geordie.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Geordie Ziegler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geordie Ziegler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 18:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These are helpful Kent.  I&#039;ve been trying to think through these images of theological method in term of T.F. Torrance.  He follows Barth in so many ways, yet his style of presentation is very different.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are helpful Kent.  I&#8217;ve been trying to think through these images of theological method in term of T.F. Torrance.  He follows Barth in so many ways, yet his style of presentation is very different.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 00:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great handles for Barth&#039;s thought, Kent - thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great handles for Barth&#8217;s thought, Kent &#8211; thanks!</p>
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