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	<title>Comments on: Erotic Desire and Effeminate Worship Pastors</title>
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		<title>By: Weekly Roundup &#124; The Two Cities</title>
		<link>http://theologyforum.wordpress.com/2011/08/20/erotic-desire-and-effeminate-worship-pastors/#comment-25176</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Weekly Roundup &#124; The Two Cities]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 17:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Kyle Strobel uses the eroticism of the Puritans to critique Mark Driscoll&#8217;s ongoing narrative about effeminate worship leaders. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Kyle Strobel uses the eroticism of the Puritans to critique Mark Driscoll&#8217;s ongoing narrative about effeminate worship leaders. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Strobel</title>
		<link>http://theologyforum.wordpress.com/2011/08/20/erotic-desire-and-effeminate-worship-pastors/#comment-25095</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle Strobel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Knight&#039;s book is still the best thing I&#039;ve read to get into this mode of Puritan thought. I was incredibly impressed with Lane&#039;s knowledge of the Puritan material though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knight&#8217;s book is still the best thing I&#8217;ve read to get into this mode of Puritan thought. I was incredibly impressed with Lane&#8217;s knowledge of the Puritan material though.</p>
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		<title>By: brettongarcia</title>
		<link>http://theologyforum.wordpress.com/2011/08/20/erotic-desire-and-effeminate-worship-pastors/#comment-25094</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some related material:  the Bible often declares that our earthly marriages are not continued in Heaven; where furthermore, we are like the angels, neither male nor female.

It seem there is a lot of variability in marriage and gender, in the Bible.  And that if anything , we are destined for bi-sexuality or androgyny in Heaven itself.  While normally, Heaven is regarding as a model for the earth as well.

To be sure, biblical gender-bending, and variability in &quot;marriage&quot;s, is at times, disturbing and disorienting.  But it seems enough to suggest that current &quot;Conservative&quot; views on the subject are not really Biblical or Christian at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some related material:  the Bible often declares that our earthly marriages are not continued in Heaven; where furthermore, we are like the angels, neither male nor female.</p>
<p>It seem there is a lot of variability in marriage and gender, in the Bible.  And that if anything , we are destined for bi-sexuality or androgyny in Heaven itself.  While normally, Heaven is regarding as a model for the earth as well.</p>
<p>To be sure, biblical gender-bending, and variability in &#8220;marriage&#8221;s, is at times, disturbing and disorienting.  But it seems enough to suggest that current &#8220;Conservative&#8221; views on the subject are not really Biblical or Christian at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby Grow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bobby Grow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 06:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen, Kyle!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Kyle!</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby Grow</title>
		<link>http://theologyforum.wordpress.com/2011/08/20/erotic-desire-and-effeminate-worship-pastors/#comment-25088</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bobby Grow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 06:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kyle,

You know Richard Sibbes was quite the Marital Mysticism guy himself; it&#039;s interesting, isn&#039;t it, how &lt;em&gt;The Spiritual Brethren&lt;/em&gt; are usually glossed over by &lt;em&gt;The Intellectual Father&lt;/em&gt; types who make up American &quot;Calvinism&quot; today. I know my mentor, Ron Frost, can&#039;t stand this current state of affairs in American Calvinism; but he chooses, unlike me, to get involved in any kind of debate around this stuff (anyway, I&#039;m starting to digress).

Good post, my wife actually read it before I did; she was intrigued by this, as of course am I. For anyone interested Janice Knight&#039;s book: &lt;em&gt;Orthodoxies in Massachusetts: Rereading American Puritanism&lt;/em&gt; helps develop the history and distinction between &quot;The Spiritual Brethren&quot; (the more &quot;erotic&quot; kind) Calvinist versus what has become the dominant and best known strain of Calvinism in America &lt;em&gt;The Intellectual Fathers&lt;/em&gt; (in the trad of 5 point and Federal Theology).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle,</p>
<p>You know Richard Sibbes was quite the Marital Mysticism guy himself; it&#8217;s interesting, isn&#8217;t it, how <em>The Spiritual Brethren</em> are usually glossed over by <em>The Intellectual Father</em> types who make up American &#8220;Calvinism&#8221; today. I know my mentor, Ron Frost, can&#8217;t stand this current state of affairs in American Calvinism; but he chooses, unlike me, to get involved in any kind of debate around this stuff (anyway, I&#8217;m starting to digress).</p>
<p>Good post, my wife actually read it before I did; she was intrigued by this, as of course am I. For anyone interested Janice Knight&#8217;s book: <em>Orthodoxies in Massachusetts: Rereading American Puritanism</em> helps develop the history and distinction between &#8220;The Spiritual Brethren&#8221; (the more &#8220;erotic&#8221; kind) Calvinist versus what has become the dominant and best known strain of Calvinism in America <em>The Intellectual Fathers</em> (in the trad of 5 point and Federal Theology).</p>
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		<title>By: julieannbarrios</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 02:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looking forward to getting that book! I&#039;m glad to hear someone cares about beauty besides the Eastern Orthodox!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking forward to getting that book! I&#8217;m glad to hear someone cares about beauty besides the Eastern Orthodox!</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Strobel</title>
		<link>http://theologyforum.wordpress.com/2011/08/20/erotic-desire-and-effeminate-worship-pastors/#comment-25085</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle Strobel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 02:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find that much of what goes by the name of &quot;Calvinist,&quot; is really just a small handful of doctrinal commitments read through an assumed American ideology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that much of what goes by the name of &#8220;Calvinist,&#8221; is really just a small handful of doctrinal commitments read through an assumed American ideology.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarrod Longbons</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jarrod Longbons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 02:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this work sounds like a far cry from the mysogeny of the &quot;reformed&quot; Driscoll as well as the simplistic subordinationism of other contemporary pastor/writers.  i wonder why, if calvinist tradition is so full of complex readings of gender, much of what is seen in the contemporary church is so simplistic when it comes to gender, marriage, and patriarchalism?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this work sounds like a far cry from the mysogeny of the &#8220;reformed&#8221; Driscoll as well as the simplistic subordinationism of other contemporary pastor/writers.  i wonder why, if calvinist tradition is so full of complex readings of gender, much of what is seen in the contemporary church is so simplistic when it comes to gender, marriage, and patriarchalism?</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://theologyforum.wordpress.com/2011/08/20/erotic-desire-and-effeminate-worship-pastors/#comment-25083</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is one of the most fascinating things I&#039;ve read on this blog. Reminds me of one of Driscoll&#039;s phrases about how men don&#039;t sing &quot;prom songs to Jesus.&quot; Great stuff...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the most fascinating things I&#8217;ve read on this blog. Reminds me of one of Driscoll&#8217;s phrases about how men don&#8217;t sing &#8220;prom songs to Jesus.&#8221; Great stuff&#8230;</p>
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